The
group of private investors pushing for a streetcar line up Woodward has
played it close to the vest. However, one of the leaders of that group,
Matthew Cullen, spoke to Model D's Jon Zemke about the project.
Cullen
serves as the CEO of the project. He is also an executive with Quicken
Loans, shepherding the firm's move to downtown. Before that he was an
executive in charge of economic development with General Motors for
years. The University of Detroit-Mercy graduate played significant
roles in moving the automaker to the
Renaissance Center and establishing RiverWalk project.
He's
looking to make the same thing happen with the proposed Woodward
streetcar line. The $100-million project calls for creating a streetcar
line between Jefferson and Grand Boulevard, connecting downtown and New
Center. The streetcar would also serve as a feeder line for the
proposed commuter rail line connecting Detroit, Metro Airport and Ann
Arbor.
Cullen sheds a little light on when we can expect to see
the proposal become a reality, why it will work and how it will change
Detroit's greater downtown area.
Q:
As a Cass Corridor resident and someone who appreciates real mass
transit, I just want to say thank you for pushing this project forward.
With that in mind let me ask the elephant-in-the-room question that is
on everyone's mind: When can we expect construction to begin and to
have the system up and running?A: It
really is a terrific opportunity for the city of Detroit. A lot of
people believe, I am certainly one of them, that its one of things that
could bring significant change for the city so it can go forward. As
far as timing, we really don't have a definitive time that I would like
to announce at this time, but we're working through it. It is a project
that, now that we have the enabling legislation, we are really excited
about. We feel we have a lot of the financial aspects of it finished.
We need to do some more. We need to work through the design and really
start ramping up on it.
Q: Come on, can't you give us a little something to hope for here as far as a potential timeline goes?A: Again,
I can't say when we'll be in the ground. We certainly would like to be
in the ground within the course of the next couple of years, maybe
earlier than the end of that time. We've got a lot of work to be done
and it doesn’t really make a lot of sense to give a date and then not
make it. We're moving full speed ahead though.
Q:
On the other side of that coin, dozens of rapid transit plans have come
and gone in Metro Detroit over the last 50 years. Why should we believe
this one will come to fruition?A:
Why should you believe in it? I think you should believe in it because
of the work the governor has done together with the speaker of the
house and Mike Bishop in the senate and everyone else -- together with
the private-partnership aspect of Roger Penske and Dan Gilbert and the
Ilitches, and a lot of other folks. It feels for me a lot like the
Riverfront project where we have a great public-private partnership
coming together to get it done. I think that is the most effective way.
Q: When we look down lower
Woodward 10-20 years from now, what will we notice is different about
it besides the streetcars going up and down it?A: There
will be a lot more density and development. This brings the ability to
move around within an urban core. … I think we'll see a lot more
density. We’ll see a lot more development. We'll see a lot more retail.
A lot more urban energy is what we're going to end up with in a short
period of time.
Q: Sort of like what we see in a Chicago or San Francisco or Washington, D.C., today?A:
You can keep going down the list right? Almost every major urban area
in the world has some kind of transit and we have not had much. What is
really nice about the streetcar design is it is pedestrian friendly. It
does bring things together. It doesn't segregate them or put them off
physically. Portland is a great example. It has a similar system. It is
a great example of what can happen. It had experienced tremendous
development after it put its streetcar system in place.
Q:
Big picture, how can this project combined with the Detroit-Ann Arbor
commuter rail line change life in Metro Detroit economically a
generation from today?A:
This project by itself isn’t the answer. This is a critical link
because it is the most important physical link, if you will, because of
the core of downtown. Importantly. it will tie in with the New Center
train station, which already takes people to Chicago or Royal Oak or
Birmingham or Pontiac. It's great first step, but it really is an
enabler for broader network of regional mass transit.
Certainly
John Hertel is going to take the lead on that planning. You can see
very quickly that as the Ann Arbor to Detroit line happens, which will
be much more utilized because it will enable people to get downtown
instead of just to New Center. As it builds up there is going to be a
lot of energy around it because it will be connected to the airport.
Then you can start saying well maybe we should have a link that takes
you from New Center out to 8 Mile or 11 Mile or another one up Gratiot.
It has to start with the first step. In this instance it's a
very significant first 3.5 mile step. In and itself it's not enough. We
need to use it as the enabler for something bigger.
Q:
This is still the Motor City. Can we really expect to see light rail
lines going up Metro Detroit's spokes in the next 20 years if this
project goes forward?A:
I think so. I don't think the two are incompatible. … There is a role
for mass transit. Communities around the world have shown they are not
incompatible. Detroiters
love their cars, but I think particularly from an urban standpoint, if
you're really going to have mass transit that is the key to a
successful region. …
A strong urban core is the centerpiece of
any successful global regional economy. Everyone needs to drive
downtown. Surface parking lots and parking decks and everything takes a
lot the vitality out of a downtown. It makes it inconvenient for people
to move around and recreate and work. I don’t think they're
incompatible and I do think they'll be successful in Detroit.
Q:
What about the arguments that a population in love with the automobile
won't ride a train or that light rail won't spur economic growth in a
region where big-box stores, strip malls and McMansions in township
cul-de-dacs are the norm?A:
Look at Denver. Look at Minneapolis. Look at other areas that have been
very automotive focused and big land areas and so on. Transit has been
a huge enabler.
Q: Why start with Woodward? More specifically, why start with this section of Woodward?A: Woodward
is the central spine of the Detroit metropolitan area. It connects to
the station in New Center and the core of downtown and the People
Mover, which will become a distribution vehicle as it was always
intended to be. On a bang-for-the-buck standpoint there is no link that
is more important. ... That relatively modest 3.5 mile link creates a
lot of opportunities immediately. It also becomes a match opportunity
for other links in the rail system as we go forward.
Jon Zemke is the Innovation + Job News Editor for Model D. He is also the News Editor for Model D's sister publications
metromode and
Concentrate. His last feature for Model D is
Detroiters Want to Recycle Here and his most-recent feature on mass transit is
The Future of Metro Mass Transit. He misses the experience of commuting on the Red line of Washington, D.C.'s,
Metro subway system.
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Photo:
Aerial view of Downtown Detroit
Matt Cullen
Ambassador Bridge Gateway Project, now 70% complete
Map of streetcar line along Woodward Ave
Amtrak
Evening rush hour on I-75 & Trumbull Ave
All photographs by Detroit Photographer Marvin Shaouni
Marvin Shaouni is the Managing Photographer for Metromode & Model D.